Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Welcome, and good morning. Thank you for joining us.

Earlier today, we issued a press release containing detailed information on our 2025 second quarter results. The press release is available on our website at PMI.com. A glossary of terms including the definition for smoke-free products as well as adjustments, other calculations, and reconciliations to the most directly comparable US GAAP measures for non-GAAP financial measures cited in this presentation are available in exhibit 99.2 to the company's Form 8-K dated today and on our investor relations website. Today's remarks contain forward-looking statements and projections of future results.

I direct your attention to forward-looking and cautionary statements disclosure in today's presentation and press release for a review of the various factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from projections or forward-looking statements. Joined today by Emmanuel Babeau, Chief Financial Officer. Over to you, Emmanuel.

Thank you, James. And welcome, everyone. We delivered an excellent set of H1 results following another very strong performance in the second quarter of 2025. Line dynamism from our smoke portfolio, which recorded $4 billion in net revenues, coupled with margin improvements across our business, drove strong double-digit adjusted diluted earnings per share growth in both constant currency and dollar terms. The multi-category momentum of our Smoke-Free business accelerated with a Q2 step up in offtake growth for IQOS, ZYN, and VEEV.

As expected, IQOS delivered another strong performance with heated tobacco unit adjusted in-market sales growth accelerating to plus 11.4% in Q2. This reflects broad-based growth both globally and in Europe as markets such as Italy pass the transitory disruption of the characterizing flavor ban. Then confirm its upward trajectory with a significant acceleration in US consumer offtake growth to plus 26% for Q2 and plus 36% in June as in-store availability improved. Internationally, Q2 nicotine pouch volumes increased plus 65% and almost tripled out of the Nordics. In e-vapor, VEEV continued its remarkable trajectory with shipments more than doubling year on year, driving further gross margin expansion.

For combustibles, despite unexpected return to modest volume declines, our business delivered robust top and bottom line performance reflecting its resilience model led by strong pricing. We continue to generate base in class growth across the P&L with high single-digit organic H1 top line growth and mid-teens adjusted OI growth, to reach a margin of over 41%. This high-quality performance reflects the increasing profitability of our three smoke-free categories: scale, operating leverage, and efficiencies combined. These results provide an excellent platform for another year of superior growth.

We expect strong smoke-free momentum to continue in H2, while we factor in the exceptional H2 prior comparison notably on growing combustible volumes, and certain timing factors. With strong business fundamentals and a slightly more favorable expected tax rate, we are raising our adjusted diluted EPS full-year forecast to plus 13% to plus 15% growth or plus 11.5% to plus 13.5% excluding currency. Looking at our Q2 financials. We delivered another quarter of shipment volume growth of plus 1.2% and organic top line growth of plus 6.8% or plus 7.1% in dollar terms to reach over $10 billion in quarterly net revenues for the first time.

Excluding the Indonesia technical impact explained last quarter, organic net revenues grew by more than plus 8%. Adjusted OI grew by plus 14.9% organically with growing profitability in all categories positive smoke-free margin mix, and ongoing cost efficiencies. Adjusted diluted EPS of $1.91 reflects growth of plus 20%, including favorable currency variance of two cents four cents lower than previously guided, mainly due to intercompany transactional impact from currency volatility at pair end including on the Swiss franc. This better-than-expected EPS delivery notably reflects strong top line momentum positive margin evolution in our smoke-free product business, and robust combustible pricing.

Combining this excellent Q2 with a strong first quarter, we achieved one of our strongest ever H1 performances. Total shipment volumes grew by plus 2.5% and organic net revenues by plus 8.4% or approximately plus 10% excluding the Indonesia technical impact. Strong performance from both smoke-free and combustibles drove adjusted operating income growth of circa plus 15% in both organic and USD terms to reach $8 billion in total. H1 adjusted diluted EPS was up by plus 17.7% in constant currency and by plus 16.1% in dollar terms.

Turning to shipment volumes. We delivered Q2 growth of plus 1.2% and plus 2.5% for the first half, driven by more than plus 13% growth from our smoke-free business. While adjusted in-market sales growth accelerated, Q2 HTU shipment volume grew plus 9.2% to 38.8 billion units including robust growth in Europe and Japan as well as promising growth from global market such as Indonesia, South Korea, and global travel retail. H1 HTU shipments increased by plus 10.5%, broadly in line with adjusted in-market sales growth.

As mentioned last quarter, I our H1 shipments include a Q1 shipment timing benefit of around one billion units which we expect to reverse in the fourth quarter. Overall and e-vapor shipments again, grew significantly. Cigarette volumes declined modestly in Q2 following the except exceptional growth of recent quarters. This was primarily due to contraction in Indonesia and in Turkey where we experienced supply chain issues following a change in regulatory requirement.

This resulted in a temporary loss of volume and share with some associated inventory write downs. We expect gradual recoveries for the remainder of the year, though two year on year comparison are still likely to be affected. In Indonesia, despite a good share performance, a growing illicit segment is impacting both the legal industry and our volumes within it. And this is also likely to extend into H2. We expect our cigarette volumes to decline around 2% for the year, more in line with the historic underlying trend.

This includes a forecast decline of 3% to 4% in H2 against the high prior year comparison I mentioned with Turkey accounting for close to half of the decline. This also factor the continuation of decline Europe and Japan as smoke-free product grows strongly and the dynamic in Indonesia and in Egypt where the recovery of the main local competitor is ongoing after previous supply constraint. As a testament to the resilience of our combustible model, we are still targeting combustible gross profit growth in H2. Supported by pricing, and cost efficiencies. For smoke-free products, we anticipate continued double-digit volume growth in H2 including the expected reversal of H1 phasing benefit on IQOS.

However, given cigarette dynamic, it is possible that H2 may see modest decline for total PMI volumes. Importantly, with the forecast full year increase of around plus 1%, we continue to target our fifth consecutive year of total volume growth as we do for future years as our smoke portfolio continues to drive performance. Breaking the performance down by category, exceptional gross margin and OI growth in Q2 resulted in impressive first half results powered by our increasingly profitable smoke-free business. H1 Smoke-Free net revenue grew organically by plus 17.3% to $8.1 billion and gross profit by plus 27% to $5.6 billion with plus 530 basis points of organic expansion to reach over 70% gross margin.

This is around 4.5 points above the gross margin of combustible at the current category geographic mix. As in 2024, this reflects continued margin expansion for all all three smoke-free category, notably combined with the positive mix impact of ZYN accretive unit economic and pricing on both HTUs and ZYN. Very strong IQOS gross margin expansion reflects the powerful growth and scale effect of this large and growing business manufacturing productivities, and a comparison benefit from higher device shipment in the prior year when Iluma I was launched in Japan and other markets. We expect strong margin to continue in H2, albeit without the device year on year comparison benefit, as we also further expand the presence of Illuma Eye across markets and bonds in Indonesia.

Converseable net revenues increased by plus 2.9% or more than 5% excluding the Indonesia technical impact. Gross profit grew by plus 5%, driving plus 140 basis points of margin expansion. Despite the financial impact of the Turkey disruption. This includes a robust Q2 with organic net revenue growth of plus 2% and gross profit growth of plus 4.8%.

This performance epitomized the resilience of our ongoing combustible business model with low single digit volume declines, robust pricing and efficiencies combining to deliver top line and gross profit growth over time. We continue to target combustible gross margin expansion organically and in dollar term for the year despite slower pricing and weaker volume in H2. The combination of sustained smoke-free momentum and combustible resilience led to plus 15.4% H1 organic OI growth at total PMI level resulting in plus 250 basis points of operating income margin expansion to surpass 41%. H1 net revenue growth of plus 8.4% was again fueled by the three engines of our top line growth model.

With positive volumes, robust pricing, and favorable smoke remix. Pricing contributed plus 5.2 points driven by convertible pricing of plus 7.7% and low single digit smoke-free pricing excluding devices. The positive mix impact of rapid SFP growth drove further contribution of plus 3.1 points. Combustible geographic mix and other factors had an unfavorable impact of 2.4 points including the Indonesia technical impact of around 1.5 points.

Currency had a negative impact of 1.5 points, with a further 0.4 points from acquisition and divestitures which include the divestment of Vectura. Turning now to gross margins. We delivered H1 organic expansion of plus 300 basis points and plus 320 basis points including currency acquisition and divestitures. Pricing made a plus 106 60 basis point contribution more than offsetting the 60 basis point unfavorable impact from cost inflation net of productivity and other cost items.

Smoke-free growth drove an excellent plus 190 basis points, reflecting the factors I covered earlier. The impact of combustible was broadly flat excluding pricing, but including the Indonesia impact. Below gross profit, we continue to invest strongly in the future growth of our Smokri brand, including in the US, with SG and A organic growth of plus 10.6% for H1, marginally above net revenue growth excluding the technical impact of Indonesia. We achieved more than $500 million in gross cost saving year to date, through our manufacturing and back office efficiency initiative.

At the midpoint of our target 24, 26 period, we have delivered over $1.2 billion placing us well on track towards our $2 billion objective. Altogether, with gross margin expansion more than compensating for higher year on year commercial investments. We delivered plus 290 basis points of adjusted operating income margin expansion in H1. Or plus 250 basis points organically. Q2 organic OI margin expansion of plus 300 basis points was even stronger than the plus 200 basis point in our first quarter.

Focusing now on our smoke-free business. Where our multi-category strategy is facilitating the continuous growth of our smoke-free user base. Estimated legal edge consumer of our SFPs grew by approximately 5 million versus one year ago, reaching around 41.5 million as of June the thirtieth. Our smoke-free products are now available in 97 markets, following the Q2 launch of ZYN in Ireland and Cambodia.

Almost half of these markets now have a multi-category offer with at least two of IQOS, zine and viv on sale to legal edge nicotine user. As shown on this slide, we now have all three categories deployed in 20 markets we continue to broaden our multi-category presence. The regulatory environment is a key enabler of smoke-free growth and I'm pleased to report some more example of positive progress such as legislation providing new market access for one or more SFP category across several Middle East markets. We also note the recently published proposal to revise the EU tobacco excise directive, which marked the start of a formal legislative process that will require unanimous approval by all member states and subsequent transposition into national law.

Many member states have already adopted risk proportionate regulation and taxation frameworks for smoke-free products which can serve as a valuable foundation and benchmark shipping the final directive. While we know the clear differentiation for smoke-free product relative to combustible in the proposed minimum rate, We are also disappointed to observe the lack of a plan to counter the threat of illicit trade, which accounted for 9.2% of total EU cigarette consumption in 2024. With governments losing over 14 billion euros in tax revenue at a time when many countries face intense economic pressure.

Our multi-category approach is built on the strength of the brand and commercial presence of IQOS. Which remains our core smoke-free product growth engine. We continue to be laser focused on maximizing the growth of IQOS over time, with the deployment of ZYN and VIV under its umbrella offering complementary opportunities to fully transition legal edge nicotine user from cigarette to SFPs. This context, I'm especially pleased to confirm the acceleration in IQOS HTU adjusted in market sales growth to plus 11.4% in Q2 notably driven by Europe, and including excellent progress in its largest market of Italy, We as the impact of the characterizing face of bond received our work commercial initiatives be fruit.

Japan, also delivered another robust quarter of growth and other global markets accelerated nicely. While competitive activity is increasing, we see this as positive for category growth over time, and we expect continued strong high cost progress in H2. We continue to target plus 10% to plus 12% HTU adjusted IMS growth for the year. Continuous IQOS innovation on devices and consumables combined with investments in brand equity are fundamental pillars of our growth. The rollout of the Illuma Eye technology now present in over 30 markets, remains ongoing.

We are expanding the portfolio of Livia tobacco free consumable, with promising initial results from recently launched new test variants and flavor capsules. We also commenced the rollout of a resin pack design on our core premium terrier HTUs as well as the expansion of our mainstream price offering, Delia, with excellent results in markets such as Germany, and Poland. In the US, we continue with small scale IQOS three pilots which are generating considerable adult consumer interest. As we progress our commercial pilot in Austin, we also launched a second pilot in Fort Lauderdale during the quarter with further initiative planned in the coming months as we prepare for the at scale launch of IQOS Iluma once authorized by the FDA.

Our second flagship premium smoke-free brand, Zeen, leads a category which has the potential to fundamentally reshape the consumption of nicotine for the substantial net benefit of global public health as adult smokers increasingly switch to smoke-free product. Q2 can shipments grew by plus 43% on a global basis and and offtake reaccelerated strongly in the u in the US which I'll come back to in more detail. Building on ZYN US strengths, our global rollout continued to advance with Q2 international can volume up plus 65% year on year or a remarkable plus 179% excluding the Nordics. The growth of our international business reflects both market expansion and strong offtake growth, supported by expanding production capacity in new geography.

Notable strong performances include our global travel retail business, with close to plus 200% volume excluding the US as well as the UK, Pakistan, Poland, South Africa, and Mexico. As covered in our recent Europe focus event, our focus is on growing the category by switching legal aged smokers rather than sourcing from the small existing category. It is also notable that ZIN holds the number one position in Mexico and South Africa where we launched our predominantly mini dry portfolio at the same time as competitor brands. Dry pouches already make up the majority of our pouch volumes in more than three quarter of Zine market and we believe this format is especially relevant for legal aged smokers.

ZYN is now present in 44 markets globally, following additional launches in Q2. Our smoke-free trilogy is completed by Liz. H1 shipment volumes more than doubled to reach almost 1.5 billion equivalent units with increasingly profitable growth driven by Europe, where Veeve now holds the number one close spot position in six markets, including Italy, and Greece. Outside Europe, we see significant potential for the brand with nice results in diverse market such as Indonesia, Canada, and Colombia, and further rollout plan. Increasing repeat purchase rates and consumer loyalty are especially promising as we seek to leverage our multi-category infrastructure under the IQOS umbrella of quality, premiumness, and superior technology.

In this vein, we recently launched our latest innovation, Veeze in Prime, the Czech Republic. In Prime offers an upgraded premium user experience with higher intensity of flavors, a larger cloud size, and higher battery capacity with an optimized podcast profile. The most developed multi-category consumer landscape is in Europe. And we now have 30 markets with at least two categories on offer.

Of course, IQOS remains the core driver of our performance in the region and I'm delighted to report a meaningful Q2 acceleration of HTU adjusted in market sales growth to plus 9.1% as adjusted market share grew by plus 1.2 points year on year to 10.9%. In this seasonally higher period for combustibles. As explained at our recent Europe event, IQOS has very strong brand platform across the region, and this performance reflect our innovation and commercial initiative including those on Illumai Livia, and Delia. This helped drive strong double digit adjusted IMS growth across markets including Germany, Spain, Romania, Greece, and Bulgaria.

A significant Q2 callout is Italy. Europe's largest IQOS market by volume, which delivered a very welcome up in both sequential and year on year growth. With the exception of Poland, Austria, Estonia, and Croatia, the impact of the EU characterizing flavor ban is now behind us. And our absolute regional growth in HTU adjusted AMS is now getting closer to pre band labels.

While quarterly comparison from 2024 have some volatility from flavor band dynamics, Sequential trends are very positive and we look forward to the remainder of the year with confidence in further strong IQOS growth. On top of this IQOS progression, the accretion from our multi-category strategy is evident in our total volume of IQOS, ZYN and VIV, with shipment growth of plus 13.5% in Q2 compared to HTUs alone at plus 10.5%. ZYN and VIV are still very early their development, but are demonstrating exceptional growth. The number you see here are for Europe overall, and I would also know that where we are present with all three brands such Italy, Greece, Poland, and Romania, we see several points higher SSP volume growth.

In Japan, we achieved the significant milestone of 10 million estimated users and Q2 adjusted HTU shares increased plus 2.3 percentage point year on year to 31.7% despite increase competitive intensity. IQOS continues to deliver strong progress with Q2 adjusted IMS growth of plus 7.8% against the prior year period, which included the full launch of Iluma I. As shown on the slide, I could deliver truly exceptional growth in 23 and 24, especially considering the size of the category, now stands at almost half of total nicotine of tech volume nationally, and more than half in certain cities. The high single digit growth that our business delivered in H1 2025 remains very healthy and is essentially in line with the trend in the years prior.

We expect further strong adjusted IMS growth in the remainder of the year. We are pleased to see our competitors embrace the heat not burn category as while our category share was sequentially stable at around 70% in Q2, Our biggest focus is on accelerating the size of smoke-free product overall maximize the growth of our leading proposition and convert more smokers. Switching now to the US. The strong reacceleration in ZYN of the growth is a clear highlight of our Q2 performance and testament to the strength of the brand as in store availability improves and legal edge consumers regain access to the full ZYN portfolio offering.

The supply constraint of previous quarters had limited the growth in sellout volumes and meant ZYN was growing less than the overall category. With manufacturing capacity now in very good shape, The recovery to around plus 36% of tech volume growth in June as measured by Nielsen and plus 26% in Q2 overall. Mark the return of ZYN to its category driving position in terms of growth and market share. On a sequential basis, ZYN offtake volume accelerated to around plus 12% growth versus Q1 in line with the total category.

With the number of commercial programs restarting at the end of the quarter, This is clearly very promising as we increasingly focus on legal edge smoker and vapors who have not yet switched to the category. Q2 shipments increased plus 41% year on year, reaching 119 million cans. As with any out of stock situation, quarterly shipments are subject to volatility. Restocking of the value chain was effectively completed in H1, with the majority of this taking place in the first quarter.

We estimate the total net impact at broadly 40 million cans for the year slightly below our initial expectation. This factors in the good news that retail availability is now approaching normalized level with a lower scarcity premium in retail price narrowing the price gap to competition. Importantly, sales velocity are accelerating and with 36% of the growth in June, this bodes well for the second half of the year. With shipments now primarily driven by consumer of tech, we expect a broadly similar level of shipment in Q3 as in Q2, factoring in the possibility of a few days adjustment to wholesaler and this inventory, as the situation fully normalized.

We continue to target full year US shipment of 800 to 840 million cans, including a sequential step up in Q4. With our US production capacity increased ahead of plan, and now well set for this year and beyond. We are incredibly excited to drive ZYN and the overall nicotine pouch category potential over the coming years. Having covered Europe, Japan, and the US in some detail, let's look at the rest of the world. In most markets, both the nicotine pouch category and our multi-category presence are nascent.

Both ZYN and VIV will leverage on the strength of IQOS, where Q2 adjusted in market sales accelerate accelerated to plus 19.3% growth with broad based progress, including Egypt, the Philippines, and Indonesia. While pouch and e vapor volumes are naturally very small across this market at this stage. We can measure their Q2 growth in multiple rather than percentages. This impressive IQOS growth is exemplified by off tech share gains in global key cities.

Strong presence in South Korea and Malaysia is more than matched by key cities in Mexico, Serbia, the Middle East, and North Africa. Global travel retail were multi categories, increasingly prominent, also continues to grow strongly. The world largest cigarette market by volume outside China is Indonesia, where Jakarta, OffTech share grew by plus 2.5 points year on year 7.5%. Following promising results from the pilot launch of our full flavor, it not burn technology Bons, which is tailored to local test preferences, we have recently commenced a broader rollout.

Bond is also progressing well in Lebanon. Turning to combustible. Our business delivered robust organic net revenue growth of 2% in Q2 and plus 2.9% for H1 with Marlboro reaching a post spin category share high of 10.7% in Q2. Strong Q2 pricing of plus 7.2% included notable contribution from Indonesia Germany, and Italy yielding plus 7.7% in H1 overall. While we continue to expect a moderation in H2 pricing due to timing and comparison dynamic, We now forecast plus 6% to plus 7% for the full year.

Our strategy is to take pricing action to optimize the financial contribution to the business over time which can naturally impact volume and share performance on a quarterly basis. Our convertible business is resilient and the combination of pricing category leadership and ongoing efficiencies drove very good gross profit growth as covered earlier. This performance is in line with our objective of maximizing value over time and supporting the growth of our smoke-free business. This brings me to our revised outlook for a remarkable 2025. Where we are raising our adjusted deleted EPS forecast for the year in both currency neutral and the long term.

As expected, we delivered a strong H1 organic performance compared to our target ranges for the full year. While combustible volume dynamic and the phasing of comparison and cost are less favorable in H2, our fundamental outlook remains very good. We expect continued strong momentum on both IQOS and ZYN alongside robust pricing and meaningful margin improvement. We expect further double digit HTU adjusted IMS progression with growth skewed to the fourth quarter given a strong comparison in Q3. Three.

We forecast Q3 HTU shipment of 38.5 to 39.5 billion and dynamic growth in adjusted diluted EPS to $2.08 to $2.13 including strong investment and a favorable currency variance of five cents at prevailing rates. The full year, we continue to expect very strong organic net revenue growth in the range of plus 6% to plus 8%. Following excellent H1 top line in Amazon and margin progression, we are raising our forecast range for organic operating income growth to plus 11% to plus 12.5%. We are also raising our currency neutral adjusted diluted EPS growth to plus 11.5 to plus 13.5%.

This includes a slightly improved effective corporate tax rate of approximately 22% to 23%, based on the latest assessment of tax dynamic and market mix. We are still reviewing the implication of the OBBB Act US tax reform. In dollar terms, we expect adjusted diluted EPS growth of plus 13% to plus 15%. This includes an estimated ten cent favorable currency impact at prevailing exchange rate with favorable earnings translation from the broadly weaker dollar partly offset by transactional impact due to currency volatility which I covered earlier.

Given our expectation for a strong full year profit delivery and cash conversion, we are raising our forecast for operating cash flow to around $11.5 billion at prevailing action rate and subject to year end working capital requirements. Project capital expenditures slightly above our prior forecast at around $1.66 billion primarily due to further international ZYN capacity investment with CapEx spend almost entirely focused on supporting the growth of smoke-free. With regard to our balance sheet, we continue to target further deleveraging in 2025. Placing us on track for an our target ratio of around two times by the end of 2026. As mentioned last quarter, we are a global company with broadly diversified production and a worldwide supplier network including an established US manufacturing base, and we believe we are well positioned to mitigate potential supply chain challenges.

While the situation is volatile, we do not currently anticipate anticipate a material impact on our business from recently introduced or discussed tariffs. Our financial growth model is driving a continuous improvement in the quality of our business with smoke-free accretion and combustible resilience driving considerable bottom line growth. We are well on track to meet or exceed our three year target targets demonstrating our ability to deliver what we believe to be best in class CPG growth. Adjusted diluted EPS growth in dollar term is a key objective and we are pleased to see this delivered in H1 as well as in our outlook for the year.

I will now conclude this presentation with some closing remarks. We delivered an exceptional first half of the year placing us well on track for another year of strong performance. Our smoke-free growth is increasingly profitable as IQOS ZYN, and ZYN gain scale and drive synergies at the consumer and commercial level. Our best in class financial performance is bolstered by underlying strengths across all categories including the resilience of our combustible business, in addition to our proactive measures on pricing and cost efficiencies.

This drives our confidence in strong and sustainable adjusted diluted EPS growth in both currency neutral and dollar terms. Finally, we remain a highly cash generative business with an unwavering commitment to our progressive dividend policy. We look forward to further rewarding our shareholders as our transformation delivers continued growth. Thank you, and we are now very happy to answer your questions.

To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Our first question comes from Gaurav Jain with Barclays. Your line is open. Hi. Good morning, Valvolio.

Morning, Aurora. You.

Thank you for taking my question. So a few questions for me. One is on ZYN. So you know, you are saying that restock was less than what you had expected.

So how should one read it that your expectations for future growth They were higher earlier, and now they are lower. And not only us, but the market expectations were higher, and now they are lower. And that's why the need for restock is lower. And in that context, if I look at your VIN volume guide, so if I say three q is flat versus two q, then in four q, you need to do two hundred nineteen to two fifty nine million kams.

For that eight hundred to eight forty guide range, which would imply almost fifteen percent to thirty six percent growth on a q o q basis. And I remember from covering Swedish match, know, a few years ago that q four actually used to have lesser shipping days. For them. So they didn't really use to grow q four over q three.

Can you just help me understand all the main parts on them?

Sure, Gra. With with great pleasure. So first of all, on the impact of the restocking, well, let let's be a bit humble here. We talk about a brand that we're targeting to deliver for the year eight hundred to eight hundred and forty million can.

There are several weeks of inventory between wholesaler, distributor, and the retailers. I'm not able to tell you a precise number. It's probably anywhere between, let's say, six to seven weeks altogether. And here, we are talking when it say it's a bit lower, I mean, it's clear that, you know, for instance, at the retailer level, we had no precise idea of the level of inventory.

So we are a bit below our expectation. If I was, you know, to to give a number, it's probably maybe ten, twenty million can below. Frankly, I'm not able to give more specific than that. Are talking about a few days of sales, so it's really small.

So that's really what we're talking about. And, again, we've been facing this significant significant out of stock situation we had the exercise of reloading, the good news that it's behind us, We made a few assumptions on what it will mean in term of restocking. Okay. We've been probably a bit higher versus what what was really needed, but this is it.

So I don't think there is anything else to be read there. And at the end of the day, I think we should focus on what is really important, which is the great dynamism that ZYN is facing now that there is full availability. Indeed, June was growing thirty six percent in term of consumer uptake according to Nielsen. If I look at the first two weeks of July we are north of thirty seven percent.

I think the market is a bit above thirty nine percent. So, basically, we are going now in line with the market. So it just shows that we have absolutely resumed a strong momentum and that of course bodes very well for the future as at the same time as I mentioned, we are really restarting promotional advertising commercial activity in three sixty degree matters, which say. So that that's really what I think is important on the sequence.

So, you know, in in my remark, I noted the fact that there may be some adjustment, you know, as as people have been maybe buying ZYN in in a kind of mindset of shortages, and we think there could be some adjustment on the volume year and there in q three. So that can impact the q three performance. And then we say there is a step up in q four. At the end of the day, we are now in a dynamic where we are quarter on quarter growing nicely.

I think the growth in the second quarter twelve percent versus q one was by far the biggest sequential growth quarter on quarter since the first quarter of twenty twenty. Four. So we are absolutely back to renewed dynamism. And we are growing fast year on year, and that's what is driving our expectation for volume growth in in in the next in in the next month.

Sure. And my second question is just on EUTD. Like, you referenced, you know, a few comments, but you help us understand and more detail, like, what exactly are the proposals in terms of different tax rates on NGP products. Yeah. And if there is any update on e u t p d as well?

So, Gaurav, I'm I'm not going to elaborate on the initial proposal. We are at the beginning of a long process Last time, it was twenty ten, twenty eleven, it took two years, I think, from the beginning to the end. A lot of discussion will happen. I reminded everybody that it requires unanimity from the parties.

So I'm not going to comment on things until, you know, there is more clarity on what's going to happen. The process is start it has started There will be several steps. As I said last time, it took almost two years. And, of course, when we have more clarity on what is really likely to to happen, then, of course, at that moment, we'll we'll comment the implication.

In my remarks, I noted the two points which are important for us for the time being. One is the fact that the initial proposal is indeed coming with differentiation between smoke free and combustible when it comes to minimum taxation. So that's an important element. And the second that as as an element which we hope will be improved Obviously, there is nothing when it comes to illicit, which is, I think, a real question for the European Union to tackle.

That's what we can say for the time being.

Thank you so much. You too.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Eric Serrano with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Great. Thanks.

Emmanuel. I'm on your question.

Morning. Couple of questions. First,

in terms of IQOS Illumina US approval timing, I think you said you mentioned, you know, launch once authorized by the FDA. Are you guys still sticking to your expectation of a second half authorization

realizing it's not something you have control over. And then second, when you look at international, like, those, can you talk a bit about some of the drivers of the reacceleration in IMS and sort of the sustainability for the second half of the year. Thank you.

Sure, Eric. So first on on the US. So mean, we don't have anything new to report on the potential PMTA for for for IQOS Illuma. I think everybody can see that FDA is resuming activity on on PMTA, and that's good news.

As far as we are concerned, and this is public information, there is now for the renewal of the MRTP on IQOS three, there is a a tobacco product scientific advisory committee that has been scheduled. There, I've also opened a docket for a a zine m r t So number of things are happening, and and and that's what we we we know for for the time being. So I I have nothing new to report on the PMT for IQOSYUMA. We are still hoping for an approval in H2, but we are also at the same time acknowledging the fact that the agenda and the workload for the FDA is is is very heavy.

And therefore, it is clear that we don't have a certainty that we will give we will get this PMTA in twenty five. And and and and that could move, of course, to twenty twenty six. On the second question on the reason for the acceleration of IQOS, I I mentioned, I think, many of them. I think it's really, you know, Europe, where you have now the effect of the characterizing flavor ban that are waning and a number of markets reaccelerating.

Some markets doing really, you know, very strong performance I I mentioned some of them, like, you Spain, Germany, Romania, Bulgaria. It's great to see Italy reaccelerating as well. So I would say momentum is rebuilding. Now there will be some phasing last year on the performance in Europe, but I think we are expecting a nice performance overall for H2. And outside Europe, expect continued very nice performance from Japan and have been elaborating on the trend there where we continue to do very well.

And there are all these new growth market that are super exciting And, of course, you know, global travel retail is one of them, but Indonesia, many country in the gulf region, Mexico, Philippines. And, I mean, these are plenty of markets where we see very nice growth trajectory and growth potential for IQOS. And in this new growth market, the momentum, I would say, is progressively building up.

Great. And just one follow-up on Combust Your volumes down one and a half percent, or I should say only one and a half percent despite the headwinds you called out in Turkey and Indonesia. Was that actually a little bit better than than you expected since know, you guys have been pretty upfront really since last year that that you expect combustibles volumes to resume their declines in twenty twenty five.

So you're right. Globally today, you know, when we say that for the the year, we are targeting to be around minus two percent in term of shipment. That's something that I had the ability to say in previous instances very clearly. The fact that we believe we are going to be back to what we think is a long term trend for the combustible business, which is a low single digit decrease.

I'm not able to specifically say exactly which kind of low single digit, but that is a trend for sure. That we expect in the future. Yes. Of course.

You know, country where there is a ban on smoke free can have some impact on this low single digit decline, but nevertheless, that is a trend. That's what we have seen in in in Q2. Largely in line with our expectation, and that's what we expect with for for H2 with this impact of Turkey that is a kind of transitional thing that is going to impact H2 more specifically. But, otherwise, I think we are progressively going back to what we described as a as a normal long term trend for combustible.

Great. Thanks so much, Emmanuel. I'll pass it on. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Matt Smith with Stifel. Your line is open. Hi. Emmanuel, I wanted to ask about the increase in the underlying guidance. The currency range is up about a point from the mid from the previous midpoint. That reflects the stronger

second quarter and some favorability on the tax rate.

Is it fair to say the second half is more or less in line with your previous expectations? And can you provide a little more detail on the considerations in the second half You called out phasing and comparisons and costs. And the impact on margins from from those and and the timing of those. When when when they become lapped into the base.

Yeah. I I think, you know, when when you look at the there are, of course, you know, a number of element that can distort, the the vision quarter on quarter, H2 versus H1, What we wanted to ensure that everybody understand is that in fact, the momentum in Q2 on smoke free is in fact even better than Q1. And Q1 was already very good. But in fact, in Q2, we've seen an acceleration of the IQOS in market sales. And, you know, we are nice to back to nice double digit growth Very nice and very powerful reacceleration of Zine in the US.

Of course, you know, elsewhere ZYN and VIVA are growing very fast. But Q2, in fact, is a very nice acceleration on our smoke free business, and this is absolutely visible in our numbers. When we look at H2, in fact, we expect a continuation of these very strong momentum that we've seen in H2 on smoke free. So we expect IQOS to continue to grow double digit in term of adjusted IMS.

We expect now that we have availability which is no longer an issue for ZYN in the US, expect the continuation of this very strong acceleration of ZYN in the US Again, I reported the 37% growth for the first two weeks of July. So H2 is starting on a good note for ZYN in in the U. S. So this momentum is unchanged, and we expect it to remain very strong.

Certainly, what is gonna be less for favorable is the trend on combustible. We were almost flat minus 0.3% in volume in H1, and we expect 3% to 4% decline I've been explaining the driver for that. Despite that, we expect a growth on gross profit for combustible, but nevertheless at a lower level of course, than in in in H1. So this is one of the reasons for the differentiated performance in in in H2 versus H1 for what we can expect And then you have a number of phasing element on smoke free, which have nothing to do with performance. But which are due to basis of comparison or a number of one off events.

If I look at IQOS, there was this one billion stick shipment in Q1 that we're going to compensate in Q4. And, of course, that is favoring H1 and penalizing H2. We had super favorable comps in H1 because of accelerated sales of device last year that has been growing profit and margin. We're not going to have that the second part of the year, so that's another element. And then you have the restocking that has been benefiting H1. And, of course, we'll not be benefiting H2. But I think it's really that that's really what is behind the guidance and and I think if you take all the element I've just been sharing, you have the the right understanding of the dynamic.

I hope this is helpful.

Very helpful. And as a a follow-up,

pricing for heated tobacco units was up, I think, low single digits again in the quarter. You're about a year into realizing a nice contribution from pricing in that business.

In the markets where you are taking pricing, how is that impacting volume and new user acquisition relative to your expectations? And has that changed the way you think about the pricing potential in the HTU business over time? Thank you, and I'll leave it there.

Yeah. Sure, Matt. I think we're we're really trying to make sure we don't penalize volume with price increase when it comes to IQOS and ZYN because we describe how positive the volume growth is because we have higher revenue per unit. We have higher margin.

So the name of the game is, of course, to absolutely optimize the volume. But there is obviously, as we are growing the franchise of the brand, the strength of the brand, there is a positive to increase price. Without impacting the volume. And I think that is the right balance we we're looking for, which is we increase volume, but we certainly don't want to to change trajectory on on on volume because of that.

So price yes, but provided it does not impact in a meaningful manner the volume trajectory. That is a strategy, and that is what we will continue to do.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Bonnie Herzog with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Thank you. Hi, Emmanuel.

Hi. I had a a few follow-up questions on ZYN.

Based on everything you you discussed and, you know, what you're seeing in the market, should we assume lower end of your full year shipment guidance range is more realistic? I guess I'm trying to understand the high end is even possible in your mind. And then can you update us on, you know, your capacity and where it stands today? And when it will increase.

Sure. So of course, if we give this bracket, we believe that we can finish the the year within the bracket at you know, at every point of the of the bracket. We give the eight hundred to eight hundred forty million. Clearly, the fact that, you know, this ten to twenty million lower restocking that what maybe we thought.

I mean, that is having an impact. But at the end of the day, I you can see that the the restart of IQOS can be very powerful. I mean, thirty six, thirty seven percent. We are restarting commercial activity advertising.

So we don't know what's gonna be the growth profile for H2. So that's why we are still comfortable with with the eight hundred to eight hundred and forty a million can bracket. On the capacity, we can say that today, we we have been building a a comfortable capacity to face all kind of of very dynamic growth scenario for the for the future, and, therefore, we are we are comfortable for the coming quarters.

Okay. And then maybe just another follow-up because you just touched on something that I also wanted to ask, which is, you know, now that you're I guess, essentially back in stock or you can ship to demand, How does that change your strategy, you know, as it relates for Zen, as it relates to, you know, your pricing, promotions, know, are you going to guess, get a little bit more aggressive in an attempt to possibly grow ZYN faster take more market share? Just how are you thinking about that?

Thanks. Yes. Yes. Of course, Bunny.

So you're right. As I said, we go for a putting all levers to maximize the the the growth of of ZYN and and all that in a very different environment because now we have full availability. So during many months, many quarters, we've been refraining ourselves from acquiring new users because we knew that we were not really able to supply the the need for for new users. So that means limited activity I would say, across the board.

So in terms of pricing, in term of marketing activities. So we're gonna restart normal activity and that will certainly include more promotion. You know? We we have a much lower level of promotion than any other brand, and I think it will stay will stay like that.

But it doesn't mean that we cannot increase the level of of promotion as well. That will be certainly advertising and commercial activity on the point of sales where we need to to step up now that the product is available. And that will be the continuation of building the brand franchise and and and all this iconic element of the ZYN brand and and the fine using campaign. So we're gonna pull all levers to to make sure that we we give the best support to ZYN.

Okay. Thank you. I'll pass it on.

Thank you.

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press Our next question comes from Faham Baig with UBS. Your line is open.

Hi, Emmanuel. Hello, Thank you for taking my questions. To be honest, your answers have been very thorough.

So I don't have many more. But but but I'll take two. I noticed in in the second quarter,

the gross margin gap between combustibles and and smoke free narrowed. And maybe smoke free even gross margin slightly

reduced to Q2 on on on Q1. Maybe if you could expand on some of the dynamics around that and maybe what you expect for for for gross margin the gross margin gap over the next couple of quarters. And and the second question is is probably simple, but if you could please remind us your FX hedge rates for for the year, both euro, Japanese yen, and then and and any other currencies that you may hedge. Thank you.

Yes, Sam. So on the gross margin evolution so you are really looking after the comma because in fact we are both in Q1 and and Q2 around 70% gross margin rate. So of course, the mix of ZYN or, you know, the the the importance of the device can have an impact. But globally, in line with what we said after Q1, We have a small prebinder that is around doesn't mean that it can be a bit below, but around 70% gross margin And I would expect H2 not to be very materially different.

Okay? So I'm not saying it's gonna be necessarily at seventy, but I think we are ballpark in this area where there is a very nice gross margin rate for Smokree. Higher than combustible, and you noted that the gap has been narrowing a bit. It's still significant.

I mean, four point five for for the full H1. And it's because CC has been improving a bit which is price and mix of of the combustible sales in in the quarter. So when I look at the at the second part of the year, I think I would really insist on the fact that the improvement of margin on the smoke free business was very important on H1 as we were facing easy comps because of a lot of Illuma device sales last year as we were launching Elooma I. Fundamentally, this is not the case again in HQ. So we don't have the same easy comps, and therefore, as I said, expect margin on smoke free to stay high and expect, of course, the progress year on year to be reduced because we are facing higher margin last year on the smoke free business.

For combustible, I think we said that we have the ambition to increase the gross margin as well, and that is valid for

for for H2.

I'm not going to repeat on Forex first off because I've I have to admit I haven't been looking at exactly the latest position. I've been giving it because after, I think, so after Q1, we wanted to illustrate where where where we were in term of of of Forex edging, but that's not something I intend to do each time. To be clear.

Okay. Thanks, Emmanuel. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Callum Elliott with Bernstein. Your line is open.

Great. Thank you very much for the question.

Emmanuel.

Hi, Emmanuel. So my first question is on Aviv, if that's okay. As for a number of years, I think it's a company you guys were quite reluctant to expand too much into the the e vapor space, citing lower loyalty in that category and and sort of the result in gross margins that came from that lower loyalty.

We obviously heard a bit at your Europe event

a month ago about this increasing emphasis on the three category approach and and the sort of the synergies for all three categories.

When you sort of play in all three areas at the same time. Yeah, I guess my question is what's changed over the past year or two to

drive this increasing three category approach? And and in particular, think you called out in the release the the improving gross margin that you're seeing that you may

in particular. I wonder just anything I doubt you're going to quantify for me, but but anything sort of qualitative you could share about what that means

Sure, Calum. So yeah, I guess it has been explained with a great deal of of details during our European day. So I'm sure I'm not gonna come with the same granularity. My first comment will be to say,

I

be assured that we know what our priorities are. So our priority is first and foremost to grow IQOS. Okay? This is a leading star brand.

This is the one where we see the biggest potential. This is the one where we have the best profitability. Yes. Xyng could be one day at the same level, but, of course, it's in term of volume, it's very small today when it it comes to most of the market.

So that's something for the future. You should see Veeve as an ailing brand to our portfolio. Yes. There is an interest in the multi category play.

I'm not going to repeat everything we presented in Europe. The fact that we some consumers actually prefer to be only in one category, in and one brand. Other and sometime, you know, there are also smoker that you want to fully exit from smoking. They will only do that if they move to several smoke reported.

And that's when we want to be able to offer several smoke free category, and this is having a role to play in in these circumstances. We are, of course, putting priority on this where we believe we can develop a profitable business. And that's, of course, a very, very important condition to develop these I'm not going to exactly quantify the gross margin of these, but I can tell you that it improved by more than ten percentage points on the beginning of twenty twenty five. So its profitability is improving very rapidly.

And we believe that with the right loyalty, the VIVE business has a possibility to have a similar profitability as the business. Together, you need to have the right loyalty, but element that we see today on the market where we develop this seem to show that we can generate this level of repurchase and and loyalty. So it's it's a bit short as a summary, but these are the condition for us to develop these. And and that's what is behind our Veev progression.

Just as a clarifying question, when you say similar level of profitability to FIGRATS, do you mean percentage margin or unit margin?

Well, in term in term of gross margin on revenue. Gross margin Gotcha. As a percentage.

Okay. Perfect. And and then my second question is on ZYN, sort of the intersection of Garev and and Bonnie's two questions earlier. Where obviously, what you've spoken about is a a sort of a cadence of growth that in Q3 is something like 27% year on year growth.

But maybe a little bit impacted by seems to be you're suggesting some destocking and then the full year guidance implying a reacceleration again in Q4. And I guess my question is I wonder how the commercial activities sort of flow into that reacceleration that that you're forecasting for Q4 and and how confident that you are that that as you lean back into those

activities,

you have done in the past, right, when you when you took over this business from Swedish Match, that that that drove an acceleration back then. But as you lean into these activities again, that you sort of stepped away from when you had the supply chain problems and Did did you have this ability to redry the acceleration? How confident are you in that? And and does the cadence of these activities explain that sort of cadence between Q3 and Q4?

Look. I think I've been kinda already, you know, giving the answer I could give. So, yes, indeed. That is pointing to a very dynamic second part of the year.

Again, the level of growth in the consumer of tech in June and at the beginning of July is pointing to a direction that is broadly in line with this growth, and it is at the point in time where we haven't yet as I said, fully restarted all the commercial slash marketing activities. So we are hopeful that this will provide further boost to the growth. I don't have much to add at that stage. I think that the data are are there on the table, public, and everybody can can understand the objective that we have.

Maybe I can just follow-up then. Like, how quickly can you turn these commercial activities back on? Like, it seems clear that you were taken a bit by surprise with how quickly you were restocking. So how quickly can you turn it back on?

Well, yeah, it's not it does not, of course, happen in a few weeks. It's gradual. It's not everything at the same time. So the team are very busy in the US today.

Restarting gradually everything. But you're right. That is like, you know, reshooting an engine. And to get to full speed on the engine, it's it's gonna take some time.

I'm not going to elaborate further, of course, as you will understand, but that's something that is going to happen gradually the course of the third quarter.

Okay. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Thank you.

Our next question comes from Gerald Pascarelli with Needham and Company. Your line is open.

Great. Thank you very much for the question. Most of them have been answered, but I just I wanted to go back to currency. If you could just can you provide some color on exactly what transpired in the quarter?

You didn't get the benefit and you have been guiding for in 2Q. And that really is this despite the fact that the dollar weakened further over the course of the quarter. So I think the expectation that maybe in addition to an underlying EPS raise, we would have seen an even bigger benefit to your adjusted EPS just due to a more favorable outlook on currency. So, you know, not looking for detail on your exact hedges or anything like that, but maybe just some color or thoughts on on how we should think about the currency tailwind in the event that we continue to see this dollar, you know, weaken over the back half of the year?

Any color there would be great. Thank you.

Sure, Joel. In fact, what probably people are not always kept in, I think, you know, versus the ten cents we're coming up with, we are around four cents versus consensus below what the consensus was was expecting. I think it's largely the Swiss franc. Both in the negative impact that it has because we have a strong exposure in term of cost to Switzerland.

As you all know, we But also because the intercompany flows mean that when there is a lot of volatility and there have been a lot of surge in the Swiss francs versus other currency, at the end of the period. That is generating some transactional losses. So that's a significant impact. And, actually, when I look at what is driving this ten cents estimated impact at the prevailing rate.

In fact, the Swiss franc is to a large extent offsetting the benefit we have. On the euro just for people to to understand. So it's it's a very significant negative impact.

Got it. Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you. And our last question comes from Priya Ohri-Gupta with Barclays. Your line is open.

Priya Ohri-Gupta: Hi. Good morning. Thank you so much for taking my question. Emmanuel, I was just wondering if you could walk us through through the working capital piece on free cash flow. It looks like based on the numbers that that might have been seasonally a bit weaker than what we normally see in the second quarter. Is that largely attributable to the IQOS dynamics or what else is going on there? And then we expect most of that to reverse as we get through the back half of the year.

Yes, Priya. So, really, I think when you look at the end of H1 on the differences versus last year, I mean, indeed, the cash generation is lower. Most of it is the payment of duty that we made in Germany, and the final payment of the job act in the US. I think that the cumulative impact is is largely north of one billion dollar and and that is that is really the the the biggest impact.

Otherwise, yes, we we may have had on a temporary basis some inventory building, I mean, supply chain, of course, playing here and there. You you may have some regulatory constraints. But I don't think that for the year in terms of working capital, beyond the two element I mentioned, you should expect anything special.

I'm not sure we're disclosing it by quarter. So I I'm not going to give you the the number. I think we said one point six billion dollar for the year, but we don't split that by by quarter. Okay. Thank you so much.

Thank you.

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